Bad News For Nevada Keeps Rolling In
May 22nd, 2008Federal statistics released today show the worst decline in home values in nearly as many years as I have been a father. How much longer will we have to suffer through Democrat control of Congress?
Declines in the government index, which focuses on less expensive properties and includes fewer houses bought with risky home loans that have gone sour over the past year, show the depth of the housing market’s troubles.
Prices fell in 43 states, with California and Nevada showing the biggest declines. Home prices dropped by more than 8 percent in those states.
The government index also fell 1.7 percent from the fourth quarter of 2007 to the first quarter of 2008, the largest quarterly price drop on record.
Meanwhile, here on the home front, our city and county governments continued to staff up (adding 1,600 jobs last month), while the taxpaying segment of our economy lost 200 jobs. Yet government complains of budget cuts?
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May 23rd, 2008 at 10:22 pm
This is not rocket science. Government jobs are economy killers, they really should not count as jobs, but, in the strange math of voodoo politics, they do. People are in trouble with their houses because they were snookered. I have a fixed-rate loan and a pretty good loan-to-value ratio, even though I am sure the value has declined. There are actually “experts” who encourage you to borrow all the value in your home by implying that everyone else is doing so, and “its your money”. Somehow, this thinking is encouraged.
Bailouts are like putting a fire out with gasoline. “Stimulus checks” only bury our kids more in debt. It is painful to watch, but we have political leaders of both parties essentially encouraging their people to eat poison until they die. Unfortunately, they will take the remaining few honest people with them as well as the most progressive and beneficial Constitution the world has known. I really would like to know how anyone can watch this and continue to advocate more of the same.
May 23rd, 2008 at 10:22 pm
Well obviously Nevada isn’t hurting too bad if it can afford 1,600 new employees - all of whom will likely collect 80% of their pay in perpetuity after 20 years.
So, assuming $50k each, that’s $80,000,000 a year for each of these grunts (not even considering the PERS). Where are the cries of “oh the schools…. the CHILDREN!” - they need your eighty million! (LOL).
There have been government employees laid off. Unfortunately, many of these were the GOOD ones while the lackey connected supervisors were retained.
I’m wondering where these 1,600 new employees are and what they’re doing.
May 23rd, 2008 at 11:06 pm
You mean you haven’t noticed how much better our “services” have been since they were hired? I am surprised.
May 23rd, 2008 at 11:08 pm
Well Doug, let’s see what they could be doing……
Additional staff is needed in all departments on a continuing basis to compile useless reports of unlimited other useless reports to produce even more useless recommendations for additional study by newly hired consultants to investigate why they are failing miserably in doing their job. The answer, of course, they need more staff.
May 23rd, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Bob,
Be a little more fair towards the mentally challenged pandering democratic congresspersons. The housing problem has been developing for years, even before the democrats took control of congress.
A very compicated house of cards was built by our financial systems, based on the fantasy that property values would climb forever. Each part of this Ponzi scheme was feeding the greed of the other. It was really a win-win situation for everyone involved until they couldn’t find anyone remotely qualified to buy a home. whoops!
It really didn’t matter who was in Congress, there wasn’t and still aren’t controls or oversight that would have avoided this collapse, and it really isn’t needed. The financial firms, and investors involved should go broke. Problem solved.
And as far insane reactions to this mess are concerned, our Republican brothers in the executive branch are hard to beat with their emergency bailout of Bear Sterns.
May 24th, 2008 at 5:55 am
Individuals are the best defense for this kind of abuse. No oversight could be objective or enough if it is run by the “Government”. The politicians have a vested interest in corrupt financial (and many other) institutions. Campaigns cost a lot (you need a lot of lipstick for these pigs), and someone has to pay. Does anyone think these people invest $500 million to a $1 Billion each election to have a fair choice? We should have gotten a hint with the Savings and Loan debacle that was silently swept into the deficit bin. Both parties play the game and the American people, as a group, obviously fall for every “free stuff” scam that comes along. It seems that I now have well over $200 Million left to me by unknown relatives that have died all over the world and retained Nigerian lawyers to kindly send me this money. I have not actually gotten any money, but they continue to find these long lost dead relatives.
If you make a bad deal, you lose. That is the only way for people to learn. If they are bailed out, they go right back. If our politicians really wanted people to be saved, they would allow them to learn. At least Bush had this right: Don’t save the speculators. Well, guess what, 1% loan for a house is a speculation, “get the money out of your house because it is yours and you should want it” is speculation, believing that prices can raise forever is very stupid speculation, but still speculation. The sad truth is that if you got a fixed rate loan for a house you could afford and the payments were within your grasp, you are fine now if you still make your payments. Nothing could be more fair. If you speculated, that is just tough. You took a chance and lost. Suck it up instead of running to mommy for help. It is incredible the level of childishness and dependency people can fall to.
May 24th, 2008 at 5:59 am
I went through what it happening in the current housing crisis in California in 1990-1992. It is ALWAYS a problem
caused by the Federal Reserve and it’s little franchises, the banks. Here’s the real scam. Banks are allowed to lend out
800 to 1,000 times or more of the money they have in assets.
That’s what makes the “easy money” lending practices boom.
When the Fed decides it’s enough, it shuts off the spigot
and no one can lend any money. Then it’s a matter of time until the foreclosures start rolling in. Why would they want to do this? It’s because they can exchange their paper made up credit pieces of paper for REAL property like your house.
That’s why they really don’t care if they get full price or whatever for the property. It’s literally free for them. In addition, they get to write off their losses (difference between their paper values and what it sells for on the market.
Ron Paul is completely correct. We need to DUMP the Federal
Reserve and take back our money.
Just to make you really happy about this. Our federal lands
and all this collateral actually belong to the UN and are controlled by those European banking families.
Conspiracy? NO, it’s a fact. It’s all part of the New World Order people and the 3 candidates are all firmly in the New World order box. So expect our dollar to fall further, our borders to be blurred and left unprotected and any rights you
think you have to be subjegated to the “needs” of the “poor”
“the children” in the rest of the world. Oh yeah, start learning to speak Spanish whether you like it or not. They are going to merge us with Mexico, et all.
May 24th, 2008 at 9:01 am
Builders should not be able to own their own mortgage companies. If a builder builds and sells a house to a financially risky client, when the client can no longer make mortgage payments, the builder’s mortgage company gets to reposess the house and resale.
It’s win/win for a builder owned mortgage company to make risky home loans.
PS Get rid of Section 8 housing and make families “earn” their way into nice homes and neighborhoods.
May 24th, 2008 at 9:37 am
AS a Republican I must say the diatribe against Democrats is unwarranted. The culprit lies with A REPUBLICAN - RICHARD NIXON who removed the United States from the Gold Standard and started the spending is OK attitude (Spend your way to prosperity HAHA). You can go back even further in history to s DEMOCRAT - FRANKLIN DELANO ROOSEVELT, who made it illegal for citizens to own gold and therefore could not maintain parity. Thanks to another REPUBLICAN - GERALD FORD, who resincded the ban on ownership of gold, - hence the rise in gold prices (market at work in late 70s early 80s). The real and absolute culprits are the moronic Congress people (POLITICIANS whose IQs increase threefold immediatetly after being elected.) both Reresentatives and Senators who allowwed unconstitutionally to form the Cenral Bank AKA The Federal Reserve and who continue to allow it to exist without proper oversight. This is being followed up by our most “esteemed” moron who is called president of these United States, A REPUBLICAN, who has recently said the Central Bank should be in charge of ALL THE FINANCIAL REGULATIONS IN THIS COUNTRY, BAR NONE. Of course his minion Paulson, Treasurur and former Pres of Goldman Sachs agrees, and why not his friends are still in the finance business while we the people are not.
And now you people still want to vote for a Republican who knows NADA about economics by his own admission (JUST THE RIGHT KIND OF PAWN TO PUT IN OFFICE. He will do as he is told)
Democrats will TAX AND SPEND, (At least things will be paid for) whereas Republicans would rather borrow and spend and put payment off to a future generation, your kids and Grand kids - IF THE COUNTRY SURVIVES THAT LONG.
The borrow and spend mentality comes directly from the Central Bank. Why not? The more they can get you to owe them the more control they have over your stupid lives. And it is them you ulitimately owe.
WE THE PEOPLE VOTED FOR THIS SO DON’T CRY THE BLUES. Start making plans on how you are going to protect yourself and survive. Those dollars in your pocket are notes. They say the Central Bank owes you the denomination which today is worth less than the deposit you make of yesterdays steak dinner.
May 24th, 2008 at 10:17 am
Chuck is correct, but he fails to point out that these policies are implemented NO MATTER which party is in control of the White House or Congress. Tax, spend, and borrow are the bywords for BOTH PARTIES. I defy anyone to show me concrete evidence in the last 65 years where ACTIONS (not words) show differently. I agree with Chuck on the Federal Reserve, however, it is simply a way to enslave a population that has the power to control their Government. It seems to work, which is much more disappointing. I can believe that politicians will try to enslave, but I do not understand our citizens laying down and going along with it. God help our children.
May 24th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Steve is correct. As I prepared to pay off my home mortgage several years ago, a friend who’s wife works for an investment company advised me to re-mortgage my home and invest the proceeds in the stock market! This is the kind of advice professionals were giving to people a few years ago. I’ve lost touched with that friend and don’t know if his wife’s company has been sued for such foolhardy advice but I hope they are.
Helen is fantasizing if she thinks banks just “walk away” and “write it off” when a home is foreclosed on. The banks take it in the shorts, show a loss on their books, and lose money. They don’t want to foreclose if they don’t have too. What’s happening all too often is the speculators that ran up the housing prices in the Las Vegas valley in 2004 and 05 are walking away from loans they could probably pay if the rented the homes, or homeowners who have simply decided that since their home isn’t appreciating, they’ll just stop paying even though they’re still working and can afford to make their payments.
It’s a entitlement, irresponsible attitude that causes people to simply not take responsibility for contracts they have signed.
I think the government bailout being proposed by Congress is an abomination. The taxpayers should not be bailing out speculators and fools who bought too much house or used their homes as piggy banks to pay for vacations or new cars.
Unfortunately, it’s an election year and every day the paper carries some sob story about some fool losing their home. I saw one about a disabled mail carrier who had amassed $1.2 million in mortgage debt on two California homes. Sorry, not my fault pal,I as a taxpayer should not be bailing him or his bank out.
May 24th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
The land of the free? Has anyone taken the time to look at there utility bills. Every month I scan my phone bill of 31 dollars, now the kicker. Under Government Fees and Taxes ,FEDERAL UNIVERSAL SERVICE FUND 0.70, FRANCHISE TAX CITI LV 1.98, FEDERAL TAX 1.19 = 3.87 dollars Now we have Industry Fees and Surcharges, FEDERAL LINE CHARGE 4.74, REGULATORY COST RECOVERY FEE 1.52, 2007 UNE RATE CASE SURCHARGE 2.20 =8.46 TOTAL 12dollars and 33 cents. My dam phone bill is only 31.dollars. with taxes ( fees ARE TAXES) total bill 43dollars and 33 cents.I am waiting for the day our GOV> puts a mask over my face and charges me for the air I consume.ENOUGH>>>>>>>>>>>>ENOUGH.
May 24th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Here’s the answer folks. Pass a law and make everyone a government employee!
May 24th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Hey Bill, if the banks didn’t want to foreclose they wouldn’t.
Customers are also required to pay back any losses to the banks. Sweet deal if you can get it!
Let’s see, they did the loan, the appraisel, set the interest rate, got the points, payments, write off, balance paid by
the mortgagee when they default.
I have in the past financed people on equipment I sold. Some of them defaulted.
I called them to renegotiate something that worked for them.
How many banks do you see doing this? Why are people walking away from their houses? If the banks want to negotiate and save the deal they should. But they don’t. Why not?
See above.
The Federal Deposit Insurance Agency is also owned by the
Federal Reserve.
They pick the highs, the lows, and in between. You want to know what is going to happen with the economy?
Watch what the Federal Reserve says and does. The beginning and end of what happens to the economy, stays with the Fed.
May 24th, 2008 at 5:24 pm
Hey Bruce, we already are all government employees, we all work for the government paying our money to support them. We just don’t get any of the perks!
May 25th, 2008 at 6:30 am
Interesting discussion!
Most of the problem centers on a majority of “We the People”. The actions of “sheeple”. Ignorance is the problem and that ignorance is fostered and promoted by a public school system dedicated to dumbing us down. In fact “Dumbing Us Down” is the title of short book by John Taylor Gatto, a New York state Teacher of the Year. After a 30 year teaching career, he quit in disgust and he now writes and lectures. His book is a real eye opener. It’s a quick, easy read and well worth the effort.
If you don’t believe the public schools are a total failure, just look at the results. The literacy rate in this country is lower than it has ever been. It isn’t the fault of the teachers, the parents, or the students. The system is a failure because it is just another self-perpetuating bureaucracy of special interests.
This is why the same incompetent, pandering, self-promoting, power-hungry dolts keep getting re-elected. (Apologies to the few badly out-numbered ones who slip into the system and try.)
This system of “education” has created a class system, the majority of who remain woefully ignorant and dependent on Big Brother government.
May 25th, 2008 at 7:06 am
You’re right Helen!
May 25th, 2008 at 9:56 am
Al, it IS the fault of each individual person. There is no law (in fact the Constitution was specifically written to preclude such laws) that says people have to pander to the politicians. When you get right down to it, the simple truth is that you control your own actions (and you cannot control others’ actions without their premission). People CAN stick up for what is right, but they are, how did you put it, “sheeple”. THE FACT THAT THEY ARE IS DIRECTLY A RESULT OF THEIR ACTIONS AND, THEREFORE, THEIR OWN FAULT. If they are snookered, it is THEIR OWN FAULT. The Constitution allows people to take control of their Government, but they will not do it.
Other than that, your words are right on. I just will not buy the fact that the “status quo” is not changeable. In fact, it has to change or our children do not stand a chance. I, for one, cannot bow to the altar of socialism any more. How about you?
May 25th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
We are over taxed due to a fat and still growing government. Lets stop it people vote for representatives who will vote the will of the people for the people and by the people.
GET RID OF CAREER POLITICIANS who become millionaires while in office as public servants.. . . hummmm
This “foreclosure” dilemma will pass just like the changing seasons on earth and with it “global warming’ junk science shall pass. . . .they are brain washing our children with this noncense in our schools. Another big fat porker, the Nevada bureaucratic School System. Get rid of the TOP HEAVY ADMINISTRATIVE EXECS AND SUPPORT PERSONNELL. AUDIT THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BEFORE ANY MORE INCREASES put the money where it belongs, the class room and teachers.
May 25th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
I just got this from a very interesting fellow, John Casey, I think it may have a little to do with some of the comment above.
RE-ELECT NOBODY! Worthy of your time and attention … regardless of your Party Affiliation
545 PEOPLE
By Charlie Reese –
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.
Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?
Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?
You and I don’t propose a federal budget. The president does.
You and I don’t have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.
You and I don’t write the tax code, Congress does.
You and I don’t set fiscal policy, Congress does.
You and I don’t control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.
One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices – 545 human beings out of the 300 million – are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.
I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.
I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don’t care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator’s responsibility to determine how he votes.
Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.
What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.
The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.
It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted — by present facts — of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can’t think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.
If the tax code is unfair, it’s because they want it unfair.
If the budget is in the red, it’s because they want it in the red.
If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ , it’s because they want them inIRAQ.
If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it’s because they want it that way.
There are no insoluble government problems.
Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like ‘the economy,’ ‘inflation,’ or ‘politics’ that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.
Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.
They, and they alone, have the power.
They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses –
provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.
We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!
Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.
What you do with this article now that you have read it is up to you, though you appear to have several choices.
1. You can send this to everyone in your address book, and hope’they’ do something about it.
2. You can agree to ‘vote against’ everyone that is currently in office, knowing that the process will take several years.
3. You can decide to ‘run for office’ yourself and agree to do the job properly.
4. Lastly, you can sit back and do nothing, or re-elect the current bunch.
YOU DECIDE, BUT AT LEAST SEND IT TO EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK, MAYBE SOMEONE IN THERE WILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!
John F. Casey
JFCasey3rd@aol.com
May 26th, 2008 at 6:37 pm
Sounds a bit like the Mafia, doesn’t it? Now does anyone have confidence in politicians just because you are told to by a “party”. Come to think of it, “party” is a good word for it. Endless good times on somebody else’s money. Now it makes sense.
May 26th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Steve and Jim are correct.
And, I think the Repubics have been in charge six of the last seven years. Total social security & medicare obligations have increased from $20. Tril in 2000 to $53. Tril in 2007 and the national debt from abt. $5 Tril to abt. &10. Tril.
These total $455,000 for each U.S. household.
Total U.S. natl debt & obligations to G.D.P. is 4.7 times.
This is six times the .75 times of the socialist countries of France, Germany, Canada, etc.
We have socialized risk and failure in the U.S. $180 B for tax/stimulation, $300 B for mortgage bailout, $307 Farm subsidy, $164 B Iraq suppl, Bear Sterns bailout $??, Bernanke now wants premission to pay banks interest on required reserves…. That’s just in the last three months.
May 28th, 2008 at 12:58 am
Steve I was remiss in pointing out it is both parties we need to watch carefully. I did mention FDR (a Dem) who made it illegal to own gold and had legislation passed to fine and/or imprison anyone one who held gold even though we were still on the gold standard. We can thank Woodrow Wilson who signed into law the bill making the Federal Reserve legal. He was a Democrat. At any rate it was Nixon, a Republican, who ultimately caused the economic problems we are seeing today by taking us OFF the gold standard. Of course he was followed by both Dems and Repubs to continue the failed policy of spending our way to prosperity. They figured by devaluing the dollar they could pay back the debt to foreign countries with cheaper dollars therefore increasing our wealth. It was also figured that this was a way to tax the foreign countries - i.e. buying goods on credit then paying for them ultimately cheaper dollars. This was also a ruse used in real estate where it did work. You mortgate your home at a fixed rate and payment. As the house increases in value the payment stays the same. The increase in value comes from devaluation of the dollar therefore you repay the loan with cheaper dollars. All this is in economics 101. You need not be a rocket scientist. Just look to your household budget. You cannot spend more than you bring in. It is no different for the country - just a matter of scale.
May 28th, 2008 at 1:12 am
Armin Ruud your numbers are quite correct. Broken down to individual debt it comes out to approximatelty $175,000 per per person including a new born baby. That is frightening to think that people are bringing innocent children into this world with a debt that high on their backs the day they enter the world.
A little known fact about the USA debt is we hold only about $80 Million in Reserve against our debt Tha tis enough to last about THREE MINUTES if our Creditors - China, Japan, Korea, France, and Etc. decide to sell off their holdings of Treasurys rather than support the US Dollar. The USA is virtually BK at this time. Quite a tenous position to be in I would say.
May 30th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
A few years back we heard Mark Scofield, Clark County Assessor, moaning that he had to raise taxes due to the fact that property values had gone up and he could not do anything about it due to the laws as written. Of course the legislature could not do anything about extra revenues coming into their coffers. And oh how convenient this announcement came just months after the county’s voters were flim-flammed into voting for an increase in the sales tax to fund more police officers “because funds were insufficient”.
Well now that my house has dropped 20% in value, will I receive a 20% reduction in my property taxes? They did not hesitate raising them 25% back in 2005. Now they will tell us they need more money because of revenue “shortfalls”, fewer people moving here, we have to pay for less growth, yadah yadah yadah.
May 31st, 2008 at 8:20 am
Not a pretty picture. But I submit to you that you can spend more than you bring in. That is the problem. Credit cards allow us to “spend like a politician”. After all, if you run out of capacity on one, you just get another. Minimum payments are easy to make and we may as well have fun while we are young. Sound familiar? Now the fix: Bail these poor people out because they got into this trouble through no fault of their own. BOTH PARTIES SUBSCRIBE TO THIS APPROACH. Bush was a major cheerleader for printing money to send to “the people” to “stimulate” the economy. It is hard to see a way out.
July 7th, 2008 at 8:02 am
Let’s talk about the high gas prices.
Nothing is going to change until we get people that have no stocks in oil. The oil companies are in the pockets of the politicians. I personally am sick of having to spend 25% on my S.S. check on gas.
Ron Paul is the man we need in the oval office. It is just to bad that he doesn’t have the support to get there. I do believe that Ron Paul would make this country of ours a better place to live. If his name is on the ballot in November, i will vote for him.
Bob Beers is good for Nevada! He would have been the man to run this state, not Gibbons.
Bob’s problem is that he didn’t get out there enough for people to know who he is and how much good he has done for the people of Nevada.
I don’t give money to campaign’s. I have to admit that i gave to Bob Beers twice. It bothered me to see all the bumper stickers and signs around town that were going to waste.
Bob didn’t get out there and shake hands and tell people what he stood for. I know what Bob Beers stands for, he stands for the People of Nevada. It is to bad that he didn’t get out there and press more flesh and tell all the other people that he is for them.
It is time to bring our troops back home and put them on our north and south borders. We need to stop the influx of freeloaders that i am tired of supporting.
Tell those countries that hate us to get their money from another country that has the same feelings about the USA as they do.
It is time to start spending our money in the United States and not giving it to countries that hate our guts.
I know! I am a “Pipe Dreamer.” I also know what it used to be like for people to come into this country from elsewhere.
You had to have a sponsor, get a job, learn the language, go through a complete medical examination before entry to the United States. They had to become a United States Citizen!
They were unable to get on any kind of walfare for the first 3 years they were here. It was the responsibility of their sponsors to support them if they were unable to do it themselves.
I’m dating myself! I guess that in the real world these days, all you have to do is to sneak across the border and hold out your hand.
It is sad that people who have not contributed a single penny to the system reap it’s rewards.
People that pay into the system have to show a credit card to get care at a hospital. An illegal just has to go in with some who can translate for them and they get it free.
Been there. Done that.
It is time to listen to what the people running for office are “NOT SAYING” and not what they are saying. Listen to what they want to do to help us. Every thing comes down to raising our taxes!
If their mouths are moving, they are lying. If they are in office, vote them out before they can do to much damage to us.
Harry Reid is a good example. He is what ever you are for, but votes for what ever is good for him and his friends. He had been running for office for as long as i have been in Nevada on the same joke. If he gets elected, we will not get Yucca Mountain, because he will stop it. WRONG!!!
Now he has two sons in office that are the same as him. They had an excellent trainer.
I am off my soap box.
Just open your minds before you vote!!!