Comments on: “Liberals” and “Conservatives” http://www.beers4nevada.org/wordpress/11/14/liberals-and-conservatives/ Fiscal Responsiblity For Nevada Sun, 12 Oct 2008 01:58:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Cliff Nellis http://www.beers4nevada.org/wordpress/11/14/liberals-and-conservatives/#comment-13258 Cliff Nellis Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:35:19 +0000 http://www.beers4nevada.org/wordpress/11/14/liberals-and-conservatives/#comment-13258 The more people that move into the State the more people there are to pay taxes. In that way growth always pays for itself. Of course, there is a lag time between when necessary expansion of roads and other infrastrucute items are completed and when they are finally paid for but that is the case with any type of business. Money can easily be borrowed and the cost will be easily paid off in time. In response to Doug's response I would say let us not be bitter. Children are the future and the cost of educating them should not be resented. The question is how are we going to educate them? Are we going to do it with a wasteful government socialized system or will we have the courage to break up the current monopoly and privatize it? Once it is privatized we will no longer have the powerful teachers union constantly lobbying for excessive & ridiculous tax increases. Private education will also teach children morals which the ACLU has effectively removed from the curriculum because moral education could imply moral absolutes and the existence of a God. The more people that move into the State the more people there are to pay taxes. In that way growth always pays for itself. Of course, there is a lag time between when necessary expansion of roads and other infrastrucute items are completed and when they are finally paid for but that is the case with any type of business. Money can easily be borrowed and the cost will be easily paid off in time. In response to Doug’s response I would say let us not be bitter. Children are the future and the cost of educating them should not be resented. The question is how are we going to educate them? Are we going to do it with a wasteful government socialized system or will we have the courage to break up the current monopoly and privatize it? Once it is privatized we will no longer have the powerful teachers union constantly lobbying for excessive & ridiculous tax increases. Private education will also teach children morals which the ACLU has effectively removed from the curriculum because moral education could imply moral absolutes and the existence of a God.

]]> By: Doug http://www.beers4nevada.org/wordpress/11/14/liberals-and-conservatives/#comment-12361 Doug Sat, 17 Nov 2007 20:41:14 +0000 http://www.beers4nevada.org/wordpress/11/14/liberals-and-conservatives/#comment-12361 One family in my neighborhood has THIRTEEN kids. When the cost of educating these cretins is factored out across the neighborhood for K-12, maybe growth doesn't pay for growth. I feel bad to the seniors in our neighborhood who have already paid to send their 2 kids to school only to have some of these 13 vandalizing their yards and homes with the added insult and cost of having to fund the eduwaste machine to over $1 million for this one family. Just tired and angry. I know it sounds mean, but where does it end? One family in my neighborhood has THIRTEEN kids. When the cost of educating these cretins is factored out across the neighborhood for K-12, maybe growth doesn’t pay for growth.

I feel bad to the seniors in our neighborhood who have already paid to send their 2 kids to school only to have some of these 13 vandalizing their yards and homes with the added insult and cost of having to fund the eduwaste machine to over $1 million for this one family.

Just tired and angry. I know it sounds mean, but where does it end?

]]> By: Helen Weils http://www.beers4nevada.org/wordpress/11/14/liberals-and-conservatives/#comment-12355 Helen Weils Sat, 17 Nov 2007 16:13:09 +0000 http://www.beers4nevada.org/wordpress/11/14/liberals-and-conservatives/#comment-12355 THIS PROVES MY POINT. WE SHOULD NOT HAVE IDIOTS LIKE DAVID DAMORE TEACHING IN OUR SCHOOLS. GET RID OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS! THIS PROVES MY POINT. WE SHOULD NOT HAVE IDIOTS LIKE DAVID
DAMORE TEACHING IN OUR SCHOOLS. GET RID OF PUBLIC SCHOOLS!

]]> By: Steve http://www.beers4nevada.org/wordpress/11/14/liberals-and-conservatives/#comment-12353 Steve Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:58:35 +0000 http://www.beers4nevada.org/wordpress/11/14/liberals-and-conservatives/#comment-12353 The battle rages on between the "liberal" and "conservative" virtual political "sides". It is clear that both sides favor larger government as a means of expanding the power base of those who wish to live in dachas. Controlling the proletariat by making them think they are being saved by the ruling party is a socialistic ideal designed by Marx, implemented by Lenin and perfected by Stalin. The basic fact is that the more your Government spends, the more it controls your life. The more you are controlled, the more you are a slave. It is hard work to manage a democracy. As we are seeing, if we do not do the work necessary, we simply revert to a slave state. Thomas Jefferson anticipated this situation, but judged that citizens, once given the hammer over oppressive government, would never release this control though apathy. I guess he was judging this from a perspective of a Nation that just won a hard, costly battle to attain the precious freedom they craved. Although we still have the Constitutional right to control our Government, we are simply too lazy to use it. Just ask anyone who votes and they will tell you that they voted for the "lesser of two evils". Our central Government today is far more oppressive than that of King George was to the colonies, yet we continue to openly send "evils" to run our Government. The end is self-evident. David is certainly a hard-core socialist (from his picture, he looks very young which typifies many such idealists). He wants to wish everyone into compliance with his ideals. This is totally in contravention with the letter and intent of our Constitution, yet it seems that, much to the chagrin of Thomas Jefferson, we continue to accept the collar being tightened into a noose. It is OK in this country for David to think and write as he wants. It is even OK for the rest of us to throw our freedom away for convenience. What is not OK is the taxing of our future generations through this malfeasance. It is important to realize that both parties seek the same goal (total Governmetn control), but each creates artifical conflicts between them to "rally the electorate". "Liberals" want to tax the "rich" (the very entrepeneurs who launched the United States to a world power)....."Conservatives" want to tax the future generations. Both are simply amoral and wrong. Our founding fathers gave us a gift, as Franklin said "if you can keep it". I would hate to think that we are too lazy to keep it, but it is difficult to see any other conclusion. The battle rages on between the “liberal” and “conservative” virtual political “sides”. It is clear that both sides favor larger government as a means of expanding the power base of those who wish to live in dachas. Controlling the proletariat by making them think they are being saved by the ruling party is a socialistic ideal designed by Marx, implemented by Lenin and perfected by Stalin. The basic fact is that the more your Government spends, the more it controls your life. The more you are controlled, the more you are a slave. It is hard work to manage a democracy. As we are seeing, if we do not do the work necessary, we simply revert to a slave state.

Thomas Jefferson anticipated this situation, but judged that citizens, once given the hammer over oppressive government, would never release this control though apathy. I guess he was judging this from a perspective of a Nation that just won a hard, costly battle to attain the precious freedom they craved. Although we still have the Constitutional right to control our Government, we are simply too lazy to use it. Just ask anyone who votes and they will tell you that they voted for the “lesser of two evils”. Our central Government today is far more oppressive than that of King George was to the colonies, yet we continue to openly send “evils” to run our Government. The end is self-evident.

David is certainly a hard-core socialist (from his picture, he looks very young which typifies many such idealists). He wants to wish everyone into compliance with his ideals. This is totally in contravention with the letter and intent of our Constitution, yet it seems that, much to the chagrin of Thomas Jefferson, we continue to accept the collar being tightened into a noose. It is OK in this country for David to think and write as he wants. It is even OK for the rest of us to throw our freedom away for convenience. What is not OK is the taxing of our future generations through this malfeasance. It is important to realize that both parties seek the same goal (total Governmetn control), but each creates artifical conflicts between them to “rally the electorate”. “Liberals” want to tax the “rich” (the very entrepeneurs who launched the United States to a world power)…..”Conservatives” want to tax the future generations. Both are simply amoral and wrong.

Our founding fathers gave us a gift, as Franklin said “if you can keep it”. I would hate to think that we are too lazy to keep it, but it is difficult to see any other conclusion.

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